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MICHAELA WALCZUCH

Processo, Volume V, pages 1180-1185 (6 pages)

WITNESS STATEMENT

Date: 2007/05/14 Time: 18:00 Place: DIC Portimão
Lead Officer: Rui Dias, Chief Inspector
Officer: Vitor Pereira, Inspector

Name: Michaela Walczuch

There is no relationship as envisaged in Art. 134, paragraph l of the CPP.
Moves to give evidence.

To the matter in the file she said:

--- That she was born in the Federal Republic of Germany and came to reside in Portugal aged 12 years, along with her siblings and maternal grandmother because their parents had become very ill and were dying. She was then living with her grandmother and a maternal aunt.
--- She completed the 12th Year of school and married LUIS FILIPE DUARTE ANTONIO when 19 years, at the end of nearly a year of dating. We were living in a house paid for by the father of LUÍS, the residence identified above. From this marriage was born her only daughter, now aged 8 years. All three live under the same roof, but do not live as spouses for about 4 years for personal and sentimental reasons.
--- She says that LUÍS, first working for others and later as an entrepreneur working for himself, devoted himself to the maintenance of the cleanliness of swimming pools in condominiums, private individuals or companies.
--- The deponent worked with him in that business and later in commercial establishments, namely in a perfumery and in a real estate agency ("António Marcela"), both in Lagos. Later she returned to work with her husband in the pool business until mid-2002. In March 2003 she began exploiting a mini-market of German products. She managed to open the business, only her, through a loan granted by the father of LUIS in the value of 45,000 (forty-five) thousand euros and another obtained from the BNC/Banco Popular in the amount of 15,000 (fifteen thousand) euros, paying for this monthly, at this time, 377 euros. Regarding the loan from his father, to date she has paid only 300 (three hundred) euros. Shortly after opening the business "she separated sentimentally" from Luis, upon meeting (witness) another person without, however, as mentioned above, either one having left the home.
--- As the business of the mini-market only produced a loss, at the end of January 2005 decided to close it. From then on she was a collaborator/commission earner in the real estate company REMAX (in Lagos). Here she came to meet in mid-March ROBERT MURAT, who had also been accepted as a collaborator in REMAX. As far as she knows this was his first job when he settled in Portugal having come from his homeland, England. She also came to have a sentimental relationship with ROBERT, but always [with] each one living in their own home. LUIS did not and still today does not know of that sentimental relationship that she maintained with ROBERT, waiting for better days in financial terms to be able to divorce LUÍS. She states that she maintains a good personal relationship with LUÍS so as not to create relational difficulties in the up-bringing of their daughter, Cxxxxxxxx, 8 years old.
--- For more than a year and a half since October/November 2005, she has not worked for REMAX. Moreover, it has been a long time since she has been able even to pay her Social Security. For this reason the last two weeks of November 2006 and another 3 weeks at last Christmas and New Year she was in England in the area of Devon, together with Robert, his mother and siblings, to help deep-clean the house of JENNY. She returned to England in January, this time in the VW Transporter owned by JENNY but driven by Robert. Only two of them went. They remained for 3 weeks doing the same type of work and she came back alone by plane. That work was a way for the witness to compensate for advances or help she was receiving from ROBERT. She does not know exactly how much she received for these services in England. ROBERT came in mid-March with the VW, together with his nephew, 13 years of age and who was off school. After about a week and a half ROBERT returned to England, by plane, where the nephew had already gone a few days before, [RM] returning by plane to Portugal on May 01. When in England she met the daughter of Robert, 4 years old, and saw the girl's mother, whom Robert is divorcing.
--- The question asked she states that it was about a year ago that along with ROBERT she/they wanted to develop a project of real estate marketing, production of business cards and perhaps in the future to create a website for property leasing, but it has not been easy to start the project because of lack of funds. These ideas are from the both of them, the witness and ROBERT.
--- She explains that since the end of 2005 and beginning of 2006 ROBERT left REMAX, it being that since then he has only undertaken the remodelling at his mother's home in England, not knowing if he has other income. As far as she knows, the mother pays him some amount, not knowing how much and how often.
--- She states that it occurs from a verbal agreement with LUÍS that the divorce will come to pass with the sale of the residence where the “couple” and daughter still reside, it being that half would fall to her - even though the apartment has been given/paid for in full by the FATHER of LUÍS the covenant was made after the wedding, which says, half would fall to the witness on liquidation/settlement of accounts relating to the remaining debt of 44,700 (forty-four thousand and seven hundred) Euros of the loan granted by the father-in-law. The witness would seek later to rebuild her life with her daughter and later with ROBERT, she being sure that at this time LUÍS knows nothing of these intentions of the witness and also of Robert, with whom she has spoken many times about this situation.
--- Relating to the events at hand, and because she has been asked about it, she wishes to clarify:
--- As far as she recalls it, on the 1st of May, Tuesday, the witness was at home awaiting the arrival of Robert who came from England where he had been for about 5-6 weeks.
--- It was his mother JENNY who collected him from the airport. By lunch time they were in her (the witness’s) residence merely to see and speak to each other. Much later, she does not remember specifically, LUÍS was there but he left. By 15.30 it was only her or with ROBERT (she does not recall) she picked up Cxxxxxxxx from school in Ameijeira-Lagos. At 16:00, she now recalls, she went with her daughter (only the two of them) to the a biblical lecture in Lagos (Jehovah's Witnesses). She does not remember if she was with ROBERT that day/night, but with all certainty she spoke with him on the phone, on number 91918xxxx. As far as she knows, here in Portugal ROBERT only uses this telephone number.
--- The next day, the 2nd, Wednesday, they met in her residence at 11:00 in the morning, not recalling if LUIS was still there or had left. Only the two of them went to the city centre to the office of Attorney Dr. Francisco Pagarete ([to whom] she was presented by Robert) to know of the progress of the divorce papers. Then the two went to the store ("Putos and Graúdos" in the centre of Lagos) of the wife of Mr. Jorge Silva. The man was initially approached by the deponent (later also by ROBERT) at the beginning of this year in order to enlist a partner or to do an appraisal of the MARKETING project referred to above, it being that that man had shown interest. The three of them and his son (JASON Sxxxx) went to a CAFÉ (Taquelim or Southwest Bar, in the Marina) to discuss the project, this was still lunch time. JASON (19-20 years) was present because he understands a lot about information technology [computers]. The family emigrated from the U.S.A. Is not sure but perhaps still at the end of that morning they had gone to the PALMARES GOLF, a complex located in the Meia-Praia in Lagos, always with the father and son. This is because in the first place it was very noisy. From there the witness and ROBERT, at about 14:30, went for lunch at the "BEM BOM" located in Atalaia, Lagos. Afterwards the two went to get Cxxxxxxxx from school. Then the three of them returned to meet the Silvas at the MARINA to continue the discussion on the project, from 16:00 to 19:00. After that, the mother and daughter, went home for dinner. She does not remember if Robert went to the house, if entered nor if he dined there with them. Also she does not remember if LUIS dined with the two but if he did it will have been later and alone.
--- She admits that during that night she had spoken on the telephone with ROBERT, not remembering when, how many times, about what nor by whose initiative.
--- Thursday, the 3rd, between 08:30 and O8:45 she will have spoken on the phone with Robert, but not recalling who initiated the phone call. However it could only have occurred between the number 91988xxxx or 96014xxxx of the witness and 91918xxxx of ROBERT. They got together then, with ROBERT coming to the house of the witness, to meet with CATIA Cxxxxxxx, who is part of the enterprise/farm estate MONTINHO DE OURO, located in Praia da Luz, for disclosure and provision of related MARKETING services. At 09:00 they then spoke with the father-in-law of Catia and then with her herself. Nothing was defined. At 09:30/40 the two, ROBERT and the witness, went to the BATISTA Supermarket’s café (Praia da Luz) in order to meet there with SERGEY Malinka, a citizen from Eastern Europe. It was Robert who booked the meeting with SERGEY. This individual was introduced to the witness at the end of the Summer of 2006, he being also known to JENNY. The interest in that person results from the fact that he constructs SITES on the INTERNET. At the end of that Summer he was charged with building a page for the MARKETING project named ROMIGEN. Previously there had only been one or two times when she met him. ROBERT was the one who subsequently established more contacts with him and now found himself dissatisfied with the work carried out.
--- At that meeting of the three in BATISTA they spoke only about that, the SITE. At 11:00 they took their leave and spoke of arranging a new meeting to resolve the issue of the SITE.
--- She states that SERGEY is about twenty years of age, approximately 1.80/85 m tall, thin, blonde hair and a small goatee on that date. She had been told that he is a partner with someone else in a building that is called CASA IBÉRIA.
--- Between 12:00 and 12.15 pm ROBERT phoned a Mr. JORGE Sxxxx, the witness believing that he used his mobile phone 91918xxxx, admitting however that Robert may have used any one of the mobile phones of the witness. She does not remember what she did or where she went by between the 11:00 and 12:00. They then went with Jorge Sxxxx and his son JASON to the Restaurant António on the beach of Porto Mós - Lagos, where they had lunch.
--- Around 15:30 she went with ROBERT to get Cxxxxxxxx from school. Then, as far as she recalls, they went to her house, and that Robert left between 18:30 and 19:00 as the witness had to deal with her daughter quickly for them to be at 20:30 in a biblical meeting/lecture in Ameijeira-Lagos. That ended at 22:30, she staying there to fraternise with other people until they reached home at 22:45/23:00. She used the dark blue VW PASSAT car (more than 10 years old) of LUÍS, who was at home. When they left at 20:20 LUIS was not yet at home. She does not remember if she returned to speak to Robert that night, nor if they exchanged messages. She did not leave home, going to to bed.
--- The next day, the 4th, Friday, she received early, by 09:00, a phone call from Robert who told her that he had seen the news of the "English channel" informing that the night before a girl had disappeared from Praia da Luz. He indicated sadness, dislike, this being also in the place of his father (sic), advancing immediately that he would go to the place to help in the searches. The witness then gave attention, at home, to the news on Portuguese TV and thus obtained more information on the disappearance.
--- The question made, she states that she cannot remember if and when she returned to talk to Robert, being that she was not with him that day. She admits, however, that more to the end of the day she spoke with on the mobile phone but does not remember at what time, how long and/or who took the initiative. The witness recalls in the afternoon having gone out her daughter to the city centre for shopping. She reaffirms that she does not recall if that day she was with Robert, but if it happened it was at the end of the day. But she thinks that she was not with him because he/she was to give him/her his passport (his) and he/she did not give it to him/her (sic) on that day, but did so perhaps on 5th or 6th.
---- Pressed, she states that she only knew of the disappearance of the British child, called Madeleine McCann, through a telephone call received from the Robert at 09:00 in the morning of Day 04, Friday, and that she does not recall if she spoke with him on the previous night, when the disappearance occurred, but assures that she was not with him nor knew what he did after having left by 18:30/19:30 that day 03, Thursday.
--- She states also that she uses the messenger to talk or exchange messages with ROBERT and sometimes also makes and receives phone calls from and to fixed telephones.
--- That since day 03 she never again was with nor talked to SERGEY. Asked, she does not know if ROBERT did but is convinced that he did not because he would have told her given the common interest in the MARKETING project. With regard to Mr. Jorge Sxxxx the four of them continued to meet in order to examine thoroughly that project.
--- That ROBERT told her that soon on day 04 and 05 of May he began to "help to find" MADELEINE in LUZ. It will have been already on Sunday or Monday that he began to work as an interpreter for the Judicial Police. Rarely has she been with him since then but they have spoken on the phone. With regard to the case they only address the material that comes in the media.
--- Asked she relates that she noticed no difference in his behaviour, either from the day(s) 3-4 May, or in the last 3 days. She continues to note that he is "upset, concerned by this whole situation of translating, picking up details that nobody else knows, that he hears, in addition to the situation about which he is already sad" (sic). Asked on the same question, she answered that on Saturday, when they dined together, and yesterday, Sunday, on the telephone, ROBERT showed "naturalness and normality even when on both those occasions he said to her that he perceived or suspected that a car came behind him, glued to him", without attributing suspicion to the police. She clarifies that she cannot manage to recall if he told her that the possible followers were Police. She advances, with difficulty, that ultimately Robert had tried to clarify the matter with the police itself. This fact was transmitted in a phone call that she received from him at 00:00 today.
--- Asked she states that in the Ocean Club - Praia da Luz she knew, before 03 May, Mrs MARINA Cxxxxxxx, who supervises the cleaning ladies. She has known her for some 12 years when she began to attend Bible classes.
--- The question asked, she states that she does not know who may be involved in the abduction of MADELEINE nor has evidence or information that could lead to the discovery of that (those) perpetrator(s).

And nothing more said. - Signed by witness and two others.


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Processo, Volume V, pages 1180-1185 (6 pages)


AUTO DE INQUIRIÇÃO DE TESTEMUNHA


Data da diligência: 2007/05/14 Hora: 18:OO Local: DIC Portimão
Entidade que preside: Rui Dias, Inspector-Chefe
Funcionário que executa: Vitor Pereira, Inspector

Nome: MichaelaWalczuch
Filiação: Mxxxxxx Cxxxxxxx Walczuch e Mxxxx Mxxxxxx Pxxxxxxx Sxxxx Walczuch
Natural Freguesia: República Federal Alemanha da
Concelho :
Nacionalidade: Portuguesa Data de nascimento:
Residência: xxx xxxxxxx xx xxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxx x xxxx
Código Postal: xxxx LAGOS
Estado Civil: Casada Profissão: Angariadora Imobiliária
Local trabalho:
Telefone: xxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxx Fax:
Número do B.I.: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Informado sobre as relações familiares ou equiparadas com o arguido enunciadas no art° 134, n.° l do C.P.P., e da faculdade que lhe pode, por isso, assistir, disse que não se verifica nenhuma dessas relações.
Passa a prestar depoimento.


À materia dos autos disse:

--- Que nasceu na República Federal da Alemanha e veio residir para Portugal com 12 anos, juntamente com os irmãos e para casa de avó materna, porquanto os seus pais encontravam-se muito doentes e entretanto vieram a falecer. Ficou então a viver com a avó e uma tia matemas.
--- Completou o 12 °. Ano de escolaridade e aos 19 anos casou com LUIS FILPE DUARTE ANTONIO, ao fim de cerca de um ano de namoro. Foram viver para uma casa paga pelo pai do LUÍS, residência supra identificada. Deste casamento nasceu a única filha, hoje com 8 anos. Vivem os três sob o mesmo tecto, porém não fazem vida de casal desde há uns 4 anos por razões de natureza pessoal, sentimental .
---Refere que o LUÍS, primeiro por conta de outrem e depois como empresário em nome individual, dedicou-se a manutenção de limpeza de piscinas em condomínios, particulares, ou empresas.
---A depoente trabalhou com ele nessa actividade e mais tarde em estabelecimentos comerciais, designadamente numa perfumana e numa agência imobiliária ("António Marcela"), ambas em Lagos. Mais tarde voltou a trabalhar com o seu mando nas piscinas até meados de 2002. Em Março de 2003 veio a explorar um Minimercado de produtos alemães. Logrou abrir o negócio, só seu, através de um empréstimo concedido pelo pai do LUIS no valor de 45.0000 (quarenta e cinco) mil euros e ainda de um outro obtido junto do BNC/Banco Popular no valor de 15.000 (quize mil) euros, pagando por este uma mensalidade, nesta data, de 377 euros. Relativamente ao empréstimo do seu sogro até a presente data só liquidou 300 (trezentos) euros. Pouco depois de abrir o negócio "separou-se sentimentalmente" do LUÍS, ao conhecer (depoente) outra pessoa sem, contudo, como referiu supra, qualquer um ter abandonado o lar.
------Como o negócio do Minimercado só vinha dando prejuízo, no final de Janeiro de 2005
resolveu fechá-lo. A partir de então esteve como colaboradora/comissionista na imobiliária
REMAX (de Lagos). Aqui veio a conhecer em meados de Março ROBERT MURAT, que
entretanto também fora aceite como colaborador na REMAX. Tanto quanto sabe este foi o seu primeiro emprego quando se fixou em Portugal vindo da sua terra natal, Inglaterra. Com o ROBERT veio a ter também uma relação sentimental, mas sempre cada um vivendo nas respectivas casas. O LUIS não soube e ainda hoje não sabe dessa relação sentimental que vem mantendo com o ROBERT, aguardando por melhores dias em termos financeiros para se poder divorciar do LUÍS. Refere que mantém uma boa relação pessoal com o LUÍS até para não criar dificuldades de relacionamento e de crescimento da filha de ambos, Cxxxxxxx, de 8 anos.
-----Há mais de ano e meio, desde Outubro/Novembro de 2005, que não trabalha para REMAX. Aliás, desde há muito que não consegue sequer pagar a sua parte a Segurança Social. Por essa razão na última quinzena de Novembro de 2006 e outras 3 semanas por ocasião do Natal e Passagem do Ano transacto esteve em Inglaterra na zona de Devon, juntamente com o ROBERT, irmãos e mãe daquele, a ajudar a fazer limpezas profundas na casa daquela, D. JENNY. Voltou a Inglaterra em Janeiro, desta feita na VW Transporter propriedade da D.JENNY mas conduzida pelo ROBERT. Foram só os dois. Manteve-se 3 semanas no mesmo tipo de trabalho e voltou sozinha de avião. Esses trabalhos foram uma forma de a depoente compensar alguns adiantamentos ou ajudas que vem recebendo da parte do ROBERT. Não sabe precisar quanto é que recebeu por estes
serviços prestados em Inglaterra. O ROBERT veio em meados de Março com a VW, juntamente com o sobrinho, de 13 anos de idade e que faltou as aulas. Volvida cerca de uma semana e meia o ROBERT voltou a Inglaterra, de avião, para onde já fora o sobrinho uns dias antes, regressando de avião a Portugal no dia 01 de Maio p.p. Em Inglaterra conheceu a filha do ROBERT, de 4 anos, e de vista a mãe da menina, de quem o ROBERT se está a divorciar.
--- A pergunta feita refere que desde há cerca de um ano que juntamente com o ROBERT
deseja(m) desenvolver um projecto de MARKETING sobre imóveis, produção de cartões de visita e futuramente talvez criar um SITE para ARRENDAMENTOS, mas não tem sido fácil arrancar com o projecto por falta de verbas. Estas ideias são das duas partes, depoente e ROBERT.
--- Esclarece que desde o final de 2005 e início de 2006 que o ROBERT saiu da REMAX, sendo que desde então só se vem dedicando também à remodelação da casa da mãe em Inglaterra, não se lhe conhecendo outros rendimentos. Tanto quanto sabe, a mãe pagar-lhe-á alguma quantia, desconhecendo no entanto quanto e por quantas vezes .
--- Refere que decorre do acordo verbal com o LUÍS que o divórcio passará pela venda da residência onde o "casal" e filha ainda residem, sendo que a metade que caberia - embora o apartamento ter sido oferecido/liquidado na totalidade pelo PAI do LUÍS a escritura já foi realizada após o casamento -, dizia, metade caberia a depoente para liquidação / acerto de contas relativamente à divida remanescente de 44.700 (quarenta e quatro mil e setecentos) Euros do empréstimo concedido pelo sogro. A depoente procuraria mais tarde refazer a sua vida junto com a filha e mais tarde para junto do ROBERT, sendo certo que nesta data o LUÍS nada sabe destas intenções da depoente e também do ROBERT, com quem conversa a depoente amiudadas vezes sobre esta situação .
--- Relativamente aos factos em apreço, e por lhe ter sido perguntado, deseja esclarecer:
--- Tanto quanto se recorda, dia 01 de Maio, Terça-Feira, a depoente esteve em casa aguardando a chegada do ROBERT que veio de Inglaterra onde se encontrava há cerca de 5-6 semanas.
---Foi a sua mãe JENNY quem foi buscá-lo ao aeroporto. Pela hora do almoço encontraram-se na sua (depoente) residência simplesmente para se verem e falarem. Quanto muito, não se recorda em concreto, estaria lá o LUÍS que entretanto saiu. Pelas 15H30 foi só ou com o ROBERT (não se recorda) buscar a CXXXXXXX à escola em Arneijeira-Lagos. Às 16H00, ai já se recorda, foi com a filha (só as duas) a palestra bíblica em Lagos (Testemunhas de Jeová). Não se recorda se ainda esteve com o ROBERT nesse dia/noite, mas como toda certeza falou com ele ao telefone, para o
número 91918xxxx. Tanto quanto sabe, aqui em Portugal o ROBERT só utiliza este numero telefónico.
--- No dia seguinte, 2, Quarta-feira, encontraram-se na residência da depoente pelas 11H00 manhã, não se recordando se ainda lá estava o LUIS, de saída. Foram então só os dois ao centro da cidade ao escritório do Advogado Dr. Francisco Pagarete (apresentado pelo ROBERT) a fim de saber do andamento dos papeis para o divórcio. De seguida foram os dois a loja ("mitos e Graúdos" no centro da cidade de Lagos) da esposa do Sr. JORGE SILVA. Este senhor foi abordado inicialmente pela depoente (mais tarde também pelo ROBERT) no início do presente ano com o intuito de angariar um sócio ou fazer uma pareceria no projecto MARKETING referido supra, sendo que aquele senhor se mostrou interessado. Foram então os três e o filho daquele (JASON SILVA) a um CAFÉ (Taquelim ou Southwest Bar, na Marina) a fim de discutirem o projecto, isto
ainda pela hora do almoço. O JASON (19-20 anos) esteve presente porque percebe muito de informática. A família veio emigrada dos EUA. Não tem bem presente mas talvez ainda no final dessa manhã terão ido ao PALMARES GOLF, complexo situado na Meia-Praia em LAGOS, sempre com aqueles pai e filho. E isto porque no primeiro local fazia muito barulho. Dali a depoente e ROBERT , seriam umas 14H30, foram almoçar ao "BEM BOM" sito na Atalaia-Lagos. Depois foram ainda os dois buscar a Cxxxxxxx a escola. Voltaram então os três a encontrar-se na MARINA com os SILVA a fim de continuarem a discussão sobre o projecto, entre as 16H00 e as 19H00. Depois foram, mãe e filha, para casa jantar. Não se recorda se o ROBERT lá foi a casa, se entrou nem mesmo se jantou ali com elas. Também não se recorda se o LUIS jantou com as duas mas se o fez terá sido mais tarde e sozinho.--------Admite que nessa noite tenha falado ao telefone com o ROBERT, não se recordando quando, quantas vezes, o quê nem por iniciativa de quem. ---Quinta - Feira, dia 3, entre as 08H30 e as O8H45 terá falado ao telefone com o ROBERT, não se recordando quem teve a iniciativa do telefonema. No entanto só pode ter ocorrido entre o número 91988xxxx ou 96014xxxx da declarante e o 91918xxxx do ROBERT. Combinaram então a hora e forma de o ROBERT passar pela casa da depoente, encontrarem-se com a CÁTIA Cxxxxxxx, que faz parte da empreendimento/Quinta MONTINHO DE OURO, sito na Praia da Luz, para divulgação e disponibilização dos serviços associados MARKETING. Pelas 09H00 falaram então com o sogro daquela e depois com a própria. Nada ficou definido. Pelas 09H30/40 dirigiram-se os dois, depoente e ROBERT, ao Café do Supermercado BATISTA (Praia da Luz) a fim de se encontrarem ali com SERGEY MALINKA, cidadão do Leste Europeu. Foi o ROBERT quem marcou o encontro com o SERGEY. Este indivíduo foi apresentado por aquele a depoente no final do Verão de 2006, sendo também conhecido da D.JENNY. O interesse nessa pessoa resulta do facto de que ele constroi SITES na INTERNET. Foi então incumbido no final daquele Verão de construir a página no projecto MARKETING, denominado ROMIGEN. Anteriormente só havia estado com aquele uma ou duas vezes quando o conheceu. O ROBERT foi quem posteriormente estabeleceu mais contactos e encontravam-se agora insatisfeitos com o trabalho realizado.
---Naquele encontro a três no BATISTA só falaram disso, do SITE. Pelas 1lH00 despediram-se e falaram em combinar posteriormente novo encontro para resolverem a questão do SITE.-----Refere que o SERGEY é pessoa para vinte e poucos anos de idade, cerca de 1,80/85m de altura, magro, cabelo loiro e uma pequena barbicha naquela data. Aquele referiu-lhe que é sócio com outra pessoa. de uma imobiliária que sera denominada CASA IBÉRIA.
--- Entre as 12H00 e as 12H15 o ROBERT telefonou ao Sr. JORGE Sxxxx, julgando a declarante que aquele utilizou o seu telemóvel 919188441, admitindo no entanto que o ROBERT possa ter utilizando qualquer um dos telemóveis da declarante. Não se recorda do que fez ou por onde andou entre as llH00 e as 12H00. Foram então ter com o JORGE Sxxxx e o filho JASON ao Restaurante António na Praia de Porto Mós - Lagos, onde almoçaram.------Por volta das 15:30 foi com o ROBERT buscar a Cxxxxxxx à escola. Depois, tanto quanto se recorda, foram para casa da declarante, sendo que o ROBERT foi-se embora entre as 18H30 e as 19H00 já que a depoente teve que tratar da filha de modo a estarem despachadas e presentes as 20H30 numa
reunião / palestra bíblica sita na Ameijeira-Lagos. Esta acabou às 22H30, ficando por ali a confraternizar com as outras pessoas até que pelas 22H45/23H00 chegaram a casa. Utilizou a viatura VW PASSAT (com mais de 10 anos) azul escura do LUÍS, que se encontrava em casa. Quando saíram pelas 20H20 o LUIS ainda não estava em casa Não se recorda se voltou a falar com o ROBERT nessa noite, nem se trocaram mensagens. Já não saiu de casa, indo para a cama.
---No dia seguinte, 4, Sexta-Feira, recebeu cedo, pelas 09H00, uma chamada telefónica do ROBERT que Lhe deu conta de que tinha vista o noticiário do "canal inglês" informando que na noite anterior tinha desaparecido uma menina da Praia da Luz. Denotava tristeza, aborrecimento, por estar também no lugar de pai (sic), adiantando de imediato que iria para o sítio a fim de ajudar nas buscas. A declarante deu então atenção, em casa, as notícias na TV portuguesa e assim obteve dados sobre o desaparecimento .
--- A pergunta feita refere que não se consegue lembrar se e quando voltou a falar com o ROBERT, sendo que não esteve com ele nesse dia. Admite, no entanto, que mais para o fim do dia falou com ele ao telemóvel mas não se recorda a que horas, quantas vezes e/ou de quem foi a iniciativa. A depoente recorda-se de à tarde ter saído com a filha até ao centro da cidade para fazer compras. Reafirma que não se recorda se nesse dia esteve com o ROBERT, mas se assim aconteceu foi ao final do dia. Mas pensa que não esteve com ele porque era para lhe dar o seu (dele) passaporte e não lho deu (sic) naquele dia, mas fê-lo talvez dia 5 ou 6.
---- Instada, refere que só soube do desaparecimento da criança inglesa, chamada MADELEINE MCCANN, através de um telefonema recebido do ROBERT pela 09H00 da manhã do dia 04, Sexta-Feira, e que não se recorda se falou com ele na noite anterior, quando ocorreu o desaparecimento, mas assegura que não esteve com ele nem soube o que ele fez após a ter deixado pelas 18H30/19H30 desse dia 03, Quinta-Feira.
--- Refere que também utiliza o messenger para dialogar ou trocar recados com o ROBERT e que por vezes também faz e recebe chamadas telefónicas de e para telefones fixos.
---Desde o dia 03 que nunca mais voltou a estar nem a falar com o SERGEY. Perguntado, desconhece se o ROBERT o fez mas está convencida que não pois senão dir-lhe-ia atento o interesse comum no projecto MARKETING. Relativamente ao Sr. JORGE Sxxxx continuaram a reunir-se os 4 para aprofundar aquele projecto.
---Que o ROBERT lhe disse que logo no dia 04 e 05 de Maio começou a "ajudar a procurar" a MADELEINE na LUZ. Terá sido já no Domingo ou Segunda-Feira que começou a trabalhar como intérprete para a Policia Judiciária. Raramente tem estado com ele desde então mas têm falado ao telefone. Relativamente ao caso em apreço só abordam a matéria que vem na comunicação social.
---Perguntado refere que não notou qualquer diferença no seu comportamento, seja a partir do(s) dia(s) 3-4 de Maio, seja nos últimos 3 dias. Adianta que nota que ele anda "aborrecido, apreensivo por toda esta situação de traduzir, de apanhar pormenores de que mais ninguém sabe, que ele ouve, para além da situação em si já ser triste" (sic). Instada sobre a mesma pergunta, responde que no Sábado, quando jantaram juntos, e ontem, domingo, ao telefone, o ROBERT mostrou "naturalidade e normalidade mesmo quando nessas duas ocasiões lhe disse que se apercebera ou desconfiara que um carro andava atrás dele, colado a ele", sem atribuir essa suspeição a Polícia. Esclarece que não
consegue recordar se lhe disse se seria (m) da Polícia ou não os pretensos seguidores. Adianta, a custo, que afinal o ROBERT até tinha tentado esclarecer o assunto junto da própria Polícia. Este facto foi-lhe transmitido num telefonema que recebeu dele pelas 00H00 de hoje.
---Perguntado, refere que no Ocean Club - Praia da Luz conhecia, antes do dia 03 de Maio, a D. MARINA Cxxxxxx, que orienta as senhoras da limpeza. Conhece-a desde há uns 12 anos quando passou a frequentar as palestras biblicas.
---A pergunta feita refere que desconhece quem possa estar envolvido no rapto da
MADELEINE nem possui elementos ou informações tendentes à descoberta do(s) seu(s) autor(es).

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Processo, Volume V, pages 1358-1360 (3 pages)

WITNESS STATEMENT

Date: 2007/05/16 Time: 17:00 Place: DIC Portimão
Officer: Rui Dias, Chief Inspector

Name: Michaela Walczuch (already identified in the file on page 1180)

To the matter of the file she said:

--- That she maintains practically everything in the declarations previously given (pages 1180), which she has read as part of this action (interview).
--- She intends, therefore, to rectify or to better clarify parts thereof, helping herself in that action from a diary where she wrote/noted some things that she intends to keep daily, she verified that those [things] in her deposition are incomplete or do not correspond with the truth.
--- Relating to 1 May, Tuesday, she has nothing to add or to rectify. She maintains that she does not recall if she was with him at night. She puts forward, however, that always when they were not together at night, they spoke or exchanged messages by phone. Also she does not recall what happened on that night.
--- The 2nd of May, Wednesday, she confirms what was declared previously except it having been on this day that she was with Robert to meet with Sergey at the Batista supermarket in Luz, where they also took breakfast. Only later is it that they went (both) to Lagos, going to the Advocate's office, the shop "Putos e Graúdos" and meet with Sr. Jorge Silva and son Jason in the Taquelim pastelaria (coffee shop)in the city centre. At 14h00 they went to see an apartment that the witness intended to buy in a building situated in Aqua Azul, next to the mortgage records office of Lagos (ph. 912****11 - Sr.Vitor). Nothing happened, nor is settled, defined. Later they went for lunch at the Bem Bom. The rest of the day passed as already related. She does not recall if she spoke or exchanged messages with Robert by phone but if not it is because she was with him or that when they parted they had already agreed the meeting for the next day when they went to the enterprise/farm estate Montinho De Ouro.
--- About Thursday, the 3rd, she maintains her declarations, except that the meeting with Sergey was on the day before. They both went to Autojoteca and to lunch afterwards at GALP M24 on the A22. Also relating to Robert she maintains that she does not recall when and where they parted but it was certainly before 20h00 and for the reasons already explained in the previous declarations. However, she did not return to be with him nor after having attended the bible class that finished at 22h30. Also she does not recall having spoken on the phone or exchanged messages with Robert until the following day. But she admits that it could have been done without thinking, not recalling the reasons for that.
--- Asked, she states that of his attire she recalls nothing of how he had been dressed on that day, being sure that, the question being asked, she recall that one one of that week he dressed - because it was always in the car - in a thick Kispo-Anorak "sweetie, because of the wind or the cold" (sic), colour greenish-grey. Trousers, as far as she recalls, were dark coloured, without being jeans. Shoes, only classics.
--- Day 4, Friday, they spoke that morning, at 09h00 (the daughter had already left for school with her father) bu phone, being almost certain that it was not by message and also almost certain that it was by fixed phone and that it was Robert who called her. He then made her aware of what he had learned from the news on an English channel that the previous night a child had disappeared in Luz and that he would go there to help with the searches. The witness states that she then questioned Robert and he only explained that an English girl of 3 years had disappeared from the bedroom where she would sleep.
Asked, she clarifies that only later, still on that day or the next day, nor recalling exactly when nor the circumstances (if by phone, if personally, if she was/they were alone) Robert told her that on the previous night he was at home when he heard, it could have been 21h45 (more or less that time), he heard a siren and commented to his mother that "it's like Sidmouth, at granny's house, where security is very good and it is common for them to hear Police sirens blaring." Robert never associated it with an ambulance, at least not to her.
--- He said then that he would go to help to look for the child - without saying if she was still missing - because he was also a father and would like to be useful to the others (sic).
--- Asked she said not to know the circumstances in which Robert became an interpreter, but that this he told her that he went to meet with the parents of the missing child to try to help in any way possible, the witness deducing that it was in translation as he was fluent in both languages, Portuguese and English.
--- She does not recall if she was with him personally on Friday, the 4th. Nevertheless, if not she had certainly spoken again by phone at the end of the day but she does not recall when, how many times nor who initiated [the call]. She knew however from him that he started to help the Police with translating, making questions in trying to know the circumstances in which the child had disappeared.
--- She clarifies that along with Marina Castela she also knows in the Ocean Club the husband Teófilo Castela, a fact she commented on with Robert - because they both also frequent the Jehovah's Witness congregation - it being that this he told her later that he met with that lady "in the midst of Police and he/she recognising her/him, began to converse" (sic) referencing [referring to] the witness.
--- Asked, she states that on the 13 May last she was with Robert washing the VW Transporter at GALP-Lagos because it was dirty.
--- Asked, she states that Robert was absent in England from mid-November to 2 January, and from 25 January to 1 May, with a break from 11 to 21-25 March in which he also came to Portugal with his 13 year old nephew.

And nothing more said. - Signed by witness and interviewer.


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Processo, Volume V, pages 1358-1360 (3 pages)


AUTO DE INQUIRIÇÃO DE TESTEMUNHA



Data da diligência: 2007/05/16 Hora: 17:OO Local: DIC Portirnão
Entidade que preside:
Funcionário que executa: Rui Dias, Inspector-Chefe

Nome: MICHAELA WALCZUCH - Já identificada no ausots a fls. 1180
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Informado sobre as relações familiares ou equiparadas com o arguido enunciadas no art° 134, n.° l do C.P.P., e da faculdade que lhe pode, por isso, assistir, disse que não se verifica nenhuma dessas relações.
Passa a prestar depoimento.

À materia dos autos disse:
----- Que mantém praticamente a globalidade das declarações anteriormente prestadas (fls.1180), as quais lhe foram lidas neste acta .------------------
---- Pretende, pois, rectificar ou esclarecer melhor parte das mesmas porquanto, ocorrendo-se neste acto de uma agenda onde manuscreve/marca algumas tarefas que pretende realizar no dia-adia, verificou que aquele seu depoimento está incompletas ou não correspondem à verdade.----------
---- Relativamente ao dia 1 de Maio, 3a Feira, nada tem a acrescentar ou a rectificar. Mantém que não se recorda se esteve com ele a noite. Adianta, no entanto, que sempre que não se juntavam a noite, falavam ou trocavam mensagens por telefone. Também não se recorda se assim aconteceu nessa noite----------------------
-----Dia 2 de Maio, 4a. Feira, confirma o anteriormente declarado com o senão de ter sido neste dia que foi com o ROBERT encontrar-se com o SERGEY no Café do Supermercado BAPTISTA na Luz, onde também tomaram o pequeno almoço. Só depois é que foram (os dois) para Lagos, passando pelo escritório do Advogado, loja "Putos e Graúdos" e encontro com o Sr. JORGE S**** e filho JASON na Pastelaria AQUELIM no centro da cidade. Pelas14:00 foram ver um apartamento que a declarante pretendia comprar num prédio sito na Aqua Anil, junto a Conservatória do Registo Predial de Lagos (T.912597311 - Sr.Vitor). Nada ficou, nem está, acertado, definido. Depois foram almoçar ao BEM BOM. O resto do dia passou-o conforme já relatado. Não se recorda se falou ou trocou com mensagens com o ROBERT ao telefone mas se não fez é porque estava com ele ou então quando se despediram já tinham combinado o encontro para o no dia seguinte deslocaram-se ao empreendimento/quinta MONTINHO DE OURO ----------
------Sobre Quinta-Feira, dia 3, mantém as suas declarações, excepto que o encontro com o SERGEY fora no dia anterior. Fora os dois à AUTOJOTECA e almoçar de seguida a GALP M24 na A22. Também relativamente ao ROBERT mantém que não se recorda quando e onde se despediram mas foi com certeza antes das 20 horas e pelas razões já explicadas nas anteriores declarações. Contudo, não voltou a estar com ele nem mesmos depois de ter assistido a palestra bíblica que terminou pelas 22H30. Também não se recorda se ter falado ao telefone ou trocado mensagens com o ROBERT até ao dia seguinte. Mas admite que o tenha feito apesar de não ver, não se recordar de razões para tal .------------------------------------------------------------
-----Perguntado, refere que de maneira nenhuma se recorda como ele vinha vestido nesse dia, sendo certo que, a pergunta feita, se recorda que num dos dias dessa semana vestiu - até trazia sempre no carro - um Kispo-Anorak grosso "fofinho, por causa do vento ou do frio" (sic), cor esverdeado/acinzentado. Calças, tanto quanto se recorda, usa cores escuras, sem serem de ganga. Sapatos, só clássicos.--------------------------
-----Dia 4, 6a. Feira, falaram logo de manhã, pelas 09H00 (a filha já tinha saído com o pai para a escola) por telefone, tendo quase a certeza que não foi por mensagem e também quase a certeza que foi por telefone fixo e que foi ele, ROBERT, quem ligou. Deu este então conhecimento de que tinha sabido pelas notícias de um canal inglês de que na noite anterior tinha desaparecido uma criança na LUZ e que ia para lá ajudar nas buscas. A declarante refere que questionou então o ROBERT e este apenas esclareceu que era uma menina inglesa de 3 anos tinha desaparecido do quarto onde dormia .-------------------------
-----Disse então que iria ajudar a procurar a criança - sem adiantar se esta ainda continuava desaparecida - porque também era pai e queria ser útil aos outros (sic Perguntado, esclarece que só mais tarde, ainda nesse dia ou no dia seguinte, não se recordando ao certo quando e em que circunstâncias (se por telefone, se pessoalmente, se estava(m) só(s)), o ROBERT lhe referiu que na noite anterior estava em casa quando ouviu, seriam umas 21H45 (mais ou menos por aí), ouviu uma SIRENE e até comentou para a mãe que "parecia SIDMOUTH,a casa da avó, onde a segurança é baste boa e é comum ouvirem sirenes a tocar da Policia". O ROBERT não terá associado a uma ambulância, pelo menos não o referiu.----------------
----- Disse então que iria ajudar a procurar a criança - sem adiantar se esta ainda continuava desaparecida - porque também era pai e queria ser útil aos outros (sic).--
-----Perguntado disse desconhecer as circunstâncias em que o ROBERT se tomou intérprete, mas que este lhe disse que foi ter com os pais da desaparecida para tentar ajudar no que fosse possível, deduzindo a depoente que fosse na tradução por aquele dominar as duas línguas, português e inglês - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -----Não se recorda se esteve com ele pessoalmente nessa 6a.Feira, dia 4. No entanto, se não esteve com certeza falou novamente ao telefone no fim do dia mas não se recorda quando, quantas vezes nem por iniciativa de quem. Soube no entanto por ele que começou a ajudar a Polícia a traduzir, a fazer perguntas para tentarem saber as circunstâncias em que a criança desapareceu.------------------
-----Esclarece que para além da D. MARINA C****** também conhece no OCEAN CLUB o esposo TEÓFILO C******, facto que comentou com o ROBERT - por aqueles também frequentarem a congregação testemunhas de Jeová -, sendo que este lhe disse mais tarde que SE encontrou com aquela senhora "no meio da Polícia e se deu a conhecer, meteu conversa"(sic) referenciando a depoente.---------Perguntado, refere que no passado dia 13 foi com o ROBERT lavar a VW Transporter a GALP-Lagos porque se encontrava suja.---------------------------------------
-----Perguntado, refere que o ROBERT esteve ausente em Inglaterra de meados de Novembro a 02 de Janeiro, e de 25 de Janeiro a 1 de Maio, com interrupção de 11 a 21-25 de Março em que também veio a Portugal com o sobrinho de 13 anos .---

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External diligence relating to Michaela Walzuch and Robert Murat 16 May 2007

1) Michaela W., after her formal questioning on 14 May 2007, informed that, after having consulted her diary, she intended to clarify certain facts and/or circumstances that, she not remembering at the time, could have been incorrect and/or incomplete.
In this way she accompanied us and showed us various places and routes, among them: - the location of shop "Miudos & Graudos". Mr Silva was identified, with whom she and Robert M. had had various meetings and, subsequently, he was questioned by this police force; - the location of "Montinho de Ouro" where, on 3 May 2007, she and Robert had met Catia. Identified were Catia da Silva Rodrigues Candelas and her father-in-law Jose Antonio Lopes Duarte, who confirmed to us the their presence (MW and RM) in that place on that day, but
there were some time differences. There being no reason, they could not be formally questioned, that work ought to be done at an opportune time.
Michaela was subsequently questioned by this police force.

2) The Auto Joteca was located, the workshop where there was news about Robert M.'s Skoda being repaired. The vehicle, Skoda Fabia 9.-..-.E, metallic grey, was still there. The owner of the firm, Carlos Guerreiro, informed us that the VW Transporter 4.-..-.D was taken there for repair on 16 April, and it was ready on 24 April 2007. On 26 or 27 April he himself delivered the VW to Praia da Luz, to Robert's mother, and took the Skoda for repair.
That since that day up to today the Skoda had never left the workshop. He delivered to us the repair orders proving these facts. It was determined, also, that on 2 or 3 May 2007 MW and RM were there, but at the time the vehicle was still not repaired. The owner was not present, it being that they were attended to by employee Miguel J.G. Fernandes.
Being impossible, they were not formally questioned.

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Witness testimony of Michaela Walzuch
Date: 23 May 2007; Time: 10.55; Place PJ * Portimao

Officer: Tavares da Almeida, IC

To the matter at hand she said:
--- It being that much has not been said I wish to state that I understand perfectly written and spoken Portuguese, and equally, German.
--- As to my lineage: my mother was born in Faro and my father is a German citizen. My mother's family is obviously my family, with whom I came to live in Portugal [and] was all resident in Faro, in a street in Olhao called Rua Reitor ...
--- My father died in September 1987 in Germany and my mother died in March 1988
in Faro/Portugal.
--- As part of this action [the giving of this statement] I have read my previous declarations. They correspond to what I declared in the two days in which I was in the PJ police station. They [the PJ] have made further questions and intending to clarify the factual truth, I respond in the following way:
--- For about one year I was working in the Lagos office of the company REMAX, where I stopped working in November 2005.
--- During the year in which I worked there I made less than ten sales. The manner of payment is over [based on] the value of the properties, as follows: - the percentage charged by the agency to the client is 5% of the value of the sale. - of this amount 24% is paid for the 'enlistment' of the property [UK: a finder's fee] and the same amount is paid to the person who made the sale. In this way, a person who enlisted and sold a property would earn 48 percent of the five percent of the [sale] value, that is 2,4% gross.
--- I earned nothing like the profits made by Remax.
--- I was already working there when Robert Murat 'appeared' and after we got to know each other we started to divide [share/split] the gains and losses of our professional activity.
--- In this way we decided to mount our own company to sell various services, from real estate, management up to renting. This in addition to other services we would sell, such as types of business card, visitor cards, etc.
--- After having left Remax I worked in Century 21 but there I never made any sale.
--- As to my way of life, it is true, after leaving Remax (where I was working after closing the mini market), that I had no fixed salary.
--- Consequently I lived at the expense of my husband Luis A., who was earning money from his professional activity that paid all the house expenses and the food eaten in the residence. That said, because I did his clothes [washing/ironing] and the housework, he gave me money for my personal expenses.
--- As already said, in Remax after Robert Murat started working there we began working together dividing all the amounts we earned.
--- The last amount we received from Remax was about a month before the events under investigation in this inquiry and, for that reason, the receipt [amount received] was going to be passed to me because Robert was in England. That was about one thousand Euro.
--- I met Mr Jorge S. after having, on a date I cannot remember precisely, bought some clothes for my daughter in his wife's shop and there I left a card that alluded to the company I had formed - ROMIGEN. Some days later he contacted me saying that he would like to speak to me about the project [business].
--- Already I had several meetings with him in several places from caf? to restaurants and lately at my suggestion at my house because we still have no business office. --- It is true that this company is a project always deferred and already it is functioning for more than a year, but the people who contact us for the realisation ['fulfilment'], for example, of the 'situation' are not the most sure / certain [real/authentic].
--- That fact is not due to incompetence but is because they are not satisfied either with what is asked of them or with the terms.
--- The person who is identified in my diary as BART is the managing partner of a real estate agency "EA VILLAS" a person who received me after I responded to an advert, placed in an English paper for a finder and seller of property. I had several meetings with that man but later we could not reach an agreement on the manner of payment because I wanted a minimum salary with addition from percentages from sales. We did not agree because he would not pay a minimum salary; no payment for finding and payment of only 1,25% of total sale amount.
--- Even so I still had several meetings and BART gave me a possible sale for a Russian/eastern man who had bank credit of up to ?600,000.
--- In that price range were several places and I understood he preferred terraced, three-bedroom, garden, pool, garage, etc.
--- I met with the client, accompanied by Bart because I had no car. We only met the one time, on the day before the public holiday. I remember that detail because I said that I could not go visiting because my child was not at school and I needed to be with her.
--- The client's name was Oleg.
--- Yesterday Bart phoned me to say that Oleg had phoned him to say that he had been contacted by someone who had asked questions about me. I explained to Bart about my schedule with the police and maybe that was the reason for the contact.
--- As to the lunches and any, possible, misunderstanding about the location where I had eaten on days 2 and 3 [May], I can guarantee that on day 2 May I lunched at the 'Bem Bom' with Robert Murat, because it was the day after he arrived [from UK] and because it was that day we went to see a house, to buy. On day 3 we had agreed to meet Jorge Silva at the Lagos Marina and for that we left always in a hurry and stopped on the A22 and nibbled [snacked] at the M24 shop in the GALP service station of Lagos.
--- Still on my family I can clarify that my mother was a Jehovah's Witness and therefore since a little girl I went to the congregations, whether in Germany or in Portugal, when we we came for holidays.
--- When we married Luis exercised the profession he has today, only then he was an employee. In mid-1998 he started working for himself and at the start I worked there with him. While he was doing the specific work I did the other that did not require technical competence, for example cleaning the steps or the suction.
--- One of his work places was in the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz and I also accompanied him there. In that place worked a couple whom I knew in the Lagos congregation, Teofilo and Marina Castelo. Sometimes I saw them with their children.
--- I know that there are other people of the same religion there, but I don't know who they are.
--- Many of them, like me, attend the congregation of Lagos-Baia. However, there is another congregation in Lagos-North, a place that I do not customarily frequent.
--- For about 3 years I attended the assemblies but did not take part in the congregation only because I had betrayed my husband, which is not condoned by [consonant with] the biblical principles that I profess.
--- Also that caused Luis to stop going, even though he had never been a very active practitioner.
--- On 3 May 2007 I was at the meeting of my religion in Lagos-Baia which lasted from 20h30 to close to 22h30. I like to stay at the end of the assembly to talk with other people, but when I am accompanied by my daughter, as I was on that day, i have to leave because she has to go to bed early due to her classes the next day.
--- As for the event under investigation, up to today I have not heard [anyone] to say or comment on what or who it was.
--- The way I learned of the event was through a phone call from Robert Murat, about 09h00 on 4 May 2007.
--- He, Robert Murat, had learned that day through the English news channel that he was watching at home.

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