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Processos Vol VI
Pages 1670 – 1674
Policia Judiciaria
NUIPC 201-07.0 GALGS
4th Brigade
Inspector João Carlos
Report on Listening and Transcription of Telephone Interceptions
On 28th May 2007 in the Portimão DIC installations of the Policia Judiciaria, I, Inspector João Carlos proceeded to listen to the telephone registers relating to the code 1L722PM (nº 919188441) finding the following transcriptions of interest to the investigation.
Session nº 7
Related elements and transcription.
Code: 1L722PM
Session nº : 7
Number calling:351919188441
Destination number: 960147559
Direction: Outgoing
Initiation time: 14-05-2007 – 00.06.58
Final time: 14-05-2007 – 00.18.20
Conversation in Portuguese.
M – Michaela Walczuch
R – Robert Murat
Transcription:
M – Hello
R – Hello.
M – So?
R- I was right.
M – About what?
R – The car.
M – Again?
R – I spoke with them now, I phoned Reis Santos, I went directly to the PJ apartment..I phoned Reis Santos and said “Look, if you want to know something about me you do not need to follow me, you should just ask. When I went to Burgau I was followed by a Corolla, the other day I was also followed by the same Corolla, its better if you fix the rear light of the car, its damaged”. He said “Look, I don’t know anything about this, I have nothing to do with this information about this car. Go home and I will check what is happening”. I left and the car was there and then I followed the car and got the number plate and then phoned him and said: “Here, this is the number plate of the car that has been following me. If you want to talk to me it is not necessary to follow me, talk to me ... my life is a clean plate, a clean plate, if you want to see something, you can see it freely”.
M- And then?
R- He said “I don’t know anything about this. We need to know what is happening here, because it does not appear to be ours and it could be someone else, like journalists, for example”.
M- Ah! But it was him who spoke to you, wasn’t it?
R – He stayed there in case. I went with two of his colleagues. I was completely sincere with him, and my life is an open book.
M- Didn’t he manage to find out whom this car belongs to?
R- Now what happened, I followed the car. The car knows that I was following it. I followed the car.
M – Did you manage to see how many people were in the car?
R – There were two persons, I followed the car.
M – Could one of them have been a messenger?
R – I don’t know, but I followed the car to the Russian roundabout, to the Russian houses, I followed the car to there. When I left your house, I left by the park of your house, the car was parked there...you know, at the roundabout, facing to the right, there is a park there, the car was parked there. You know how I am with cars, especially cars, I am worried in remembering the number plates of cars and all those things.
M- Hum, hum!
R- I am worried about this, I am worried to see what is happening around me. I told him, “I guarantee that this is the case”...and it was the case. Simply it is the case. I said to Reis Santos “If you want to talk to me I am here, just call me, I am here. You can talk to me freely. I have no problem with this. None”
M – And do you think he was telling you the truth?
R – No...I think not, I think that ...he doesn’t know the full situation, but he knows that something was going on, do you understand?
M – Hum, hum!
R – Its difficult by telephone, but much easier face to face. But simply, my life is an open book. I have nothing to hide.
M – I know Robert!
R – I have nothing to hide. My book is an open one. They can see my entire life. I am OK with this. They can see exactly what I do and what I did not do. I have no problem at all with this. None. But it could not be them but someone using their car. Do you understand?
M – It would be difficult to believe that if it were not them that their car was being used.
R – If the car were not theirs, then someone is following me and I am being followed. That is something else. Bu the thing is that it only happens with this car...(inaudible) I gave them the number plate. Now they have the number plate...if it were not them. Do you understand?
M – Hum, hum!
R – Reis Santos said that he would come over here.
M – Over where?
R- To Luz. To see the situation. Now I think they already know the situation, they don’t need to come here. Do you understand?
M – But he says that he would come to talk to you!
R- he can come and talk to me whenever he likes. But simply they should decide what they want. In terms of interview I did nothing wrong. My life is an open book, they can see all of my life. I don’t have any problem with that.
M – I know. I know that.
R – There is no problem with that. I have no problem with that. Still, it could be that it was not them, but I want to know who it was. If it were not them I want to know who it is. Especially now they have the number plate. I want to know who it is. Do you understand?
M – Hum, hum!
R – I have done my part in terms of the number plate and all that s***. But...if it was them then I am well pissed off, well pissed off in terms of work, because this was not for them but for Madeleine at the end of the day.
M- I know. Also it is not necessary. They could tell you but there is a much easier way to find out who the number plate belongs to. It is going to the PSP, which I did a few years ago because of a bloke who was going to crash into me and I just said the make of the car, colour and number plate and they knew who it was. Thats one way to find out.
R- And they said whose number plate it was?
M – They told me!
R – So, I am going to do this.
M- They told me.
R – So I am going to do this.
M – And I , the information they had about the car was very little, but I got the number plate because the bloke almost lifted me into the air. He would have killed me and so I went to the police and did this.
R – I know exactly whom the car belongs to, it was a grey Corolla, diesel, a D4D, I know the car number plate, I know everything, I have all the information about the car. But my life is a simple open book, if anyone wants something, they are free to see, I have no problem.
M – Robert, you have repeated this many times.
R- I know but hear me, I have always been honest.
M – I realise that.
R – I have always been honest in my life and if it was them I am disappointed.
M – If it was them I would simply ask “what is this s***? How is it exactly that you the Portuguese police work?”
R – Exactly. Exactly that.
M –But then you are ..(inaudible).
R – I have always worked sincerely in my life and now I know that they work, the Police, any Police not just those over here, work on the fact that everyone is a liar, basically. But I personally always work sincerely.
M – I think that you should be truthful and sincere with them and tell them this.
R – Tomorrow morning I’m going straight over there, simply I will go there directly without any issue. I will go, just go I am not going to wait for anything. But I have, like I say. I see these things, I am a super visual person, in these things I am super visual...especially with cars.
M – If it were me I think I would never have noticed.
R – Cars, people, cars, I am a person who manages to remember these things. Details of cars even more, there is no doubt with details of cars. I never, never, never forget, I worked with cars for so many years, that I always have this situation, do you understand?
M – Hum, hum!
R – But now we will see, I will leave it in the hands of Reis Santos. If they want to talk to me, I am here anyway.
M – But that you can’t get on with your life, go where you want and do what you want because there is someone following you and imagining that you want to go here or there, but make a complaint to Lisbon for the end of the beach.
R – Exactly.
M - I mean you can’t....Why? Becuase for them there is already a suspicion!
R – I have to talk to them tomorrow.
M – I would be absolutely direct in telling them this.
R – I’ve been followed, I’ve been followed – I don’t know. OK we’ll speak later tomorrow. And afterwards I’ll let you know, OK?
M – Thats fine. Go to bed.
R – Go and rest.
M – I am already resting but I don’t know if I will manage to sleep.
R – I think that I will not sleep. I will not manage to sleep after this s***.
M – But you know what I worry about? Its that you don’t sleep, you don’t stop thinking about this. Robert, you don’t stop thinking about this. You will be so nervous that you will maybe lose control tomorrow.
R – It depends if I manage to sleep. Go to bed.
M- Call me whenever.
R – Ok, Ok! Good night.
M – Ciao.Kisses.
R – Ciao, ciao.
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